Cuddly toys and sweeties? Nice pulling

Dunno know what your point is actually, is there a EQ server or any other MMORPG server that have 25+ age control?

If there exists one, what is the difference, is there no Thwong and no Ceritus/ Ieya there or?

Regarding the silly graphics in WoW, yeah I agree, it is silly and cartoonish, it does actually remind you quite often that you are playing a game.

Communication between the 2 factions in game is actually possible, although you do it with emote's, I have actually several times through emote's both received help and given help to the other faction, its a bit tricky though.

There are some things in WoW that bothers even me though.

The yellow ? mark that shows where the quest items are for example, it makes the game to simple.

"Neb" (guild signings) - all of you that has played Baldurs Gate, you know this fella Neb which you run into that is really friggin annoying and the game pauses everytime the twat speaks?

Well in WoW there is a similar feature, when you are in a city and for example are buying/ selling or just browsing the Auction House, trading items between players or even outside of cities, fighting a hard mob etc, each time you get a guild signing, this invite overwrites anything you might be doing at the moment, not very annoying for those who belongs to a guild as they wont see it, but I have been without a guild for 1,5 years now and receive between 3-6 signings each day, you need 10 signatures from 10 different playes in order for a guild to get started, anyone that dont have a tag attached to their name is therefore always invited, people dont ever bother nowadays to ask if it ok.

Getting enchants, today if you have the materials needed, you have to give the materals to the enchanter in order for him to cast it, now I play a rogue and often open treasure boxes for other players, since some rogues can lockpick (you do a quest to learn it), now on the tradewindow there is a small box where you place the treasure box, that regardless what happens, never leaves the inventory of the player that owns it, when it comes to enchanting stuff however, you have to give the enchanter the materals which can cost up to several 1000's gold depending on the server, on 2 occassions now, the enchanter after having recieved the materals, has just logged off , the GM's are very helpful though and will make sure that your traded items goes back to you, but this procedure takes some hours to do.

The amazing LFG tool, a tool when you turn it on, enables you to join a channel..??.. the tool itself orginally was intended to make it easier to find groups for instances and quests, without going into the why's, it simply doesnt work as intended.

The blueberry PvE'ers that has joined a PvP server and dont understand the concept of World PvP at all - this is the worst kind of players that can be on a PvP server, they are legion on some PvP servers.

Goldsellers!!! these lvl 1's with the names that looks that they have been generated through EQ's name generator , which spam the city channels with their amazing offers of the day, since Blizzard dont have active GM's like the ones in EQ - The Ambassadors, which you could see running around in game, no action is taken against these goldsellers, lately they have changed their tactics and send whispers / tells to you directly offering gold.

Penguins, this is something that is in all online games, but more so in WoW - the min / max players, that states that there is only 1 viable setup for your character when it comes to talents, equipment etc, I am so tired of having such discussions with those players.

You wont see them take action, maybe some public showcases, but the big MMO industry is warmly embracing the RMT (Real money trading) market, because it increases their revenue too. Some new economy gurus even predict the secondary industry to overtake the primary one. Just look here for a very good example: http://kotaku.com/5041887/warhammer-onl ... -beta-keys

As you can see they even don't hide it anymore because it finds more and more acceptance throughout the player-communities, simply because many buy gold.

As for the 25+ age control server, I played wow 2 or 3 times now and the amount of kids you run into is tremendous compared to EQ: dumbarse public conversations, spammed group, guild and duel invites without any form of previous conversation, etc - just bothers me, not much, but it does. So I could very well play on a server without all the unbalanced hormones flying around. If you ain't bothered by it, good for you, you seem to have found your game with WoW

There is actually a difference between Mythic and Blizzard though as Blizzard has taken actions against goldsellers but being the biggest MMORPG in the market also means that they attract the largest amount of goldselling companies, this is a step in the right direction, but they have a long way to go still: http://www.massively.com/2008/02/02/bli ... -in-court/




So this is nothing a 25+ (kid) would do?

Many of the discussions on this board a rather dumbass too sometimes I reckon, I sure have participated in my fair share of those, maybe you yourself have participated in such a conversation 1 or more times aswell?

Even if you are absolute sure you havent, does that make you older than me?

Behaviour ingame / out of real life in general, is not age related and a 25+ server would still have the same elements as the others, if not worse.

Unbalanced hormones is something (if you are a heterosexual that is) you will have to deal with sooner or later anyway, see it as an exercise in maintaining your calm, whatever the nag is about this time, like the open toilet seat issue, for example.

There wont be as much goldsellers in WAR as it is to easy to gather money yourself. The game is not about economics.

Mythic has been doing that also in the past, that they are sueing some of them or shutting them down, doesn't proof anything. If they wanted, and especially blizzard making a turnover of 180.000.000 dollars each month just with WoW, they could bann them from their realm entirely. Programmatically and legally, worse case they would have to adjust the EULA. But why should they?

The gold-farmers themselves are paying customers with a good share of subscriptions, an increasing share of the normal player base is appreciating those services, yeah sure some people are annoyed by the spam, but not annoyed enough to make you or anyone quit the game, which is what counts.

By the way, who and what guarantees you the big MMO publishers don't sell their own gold to exactly those RMT companies? To think just because a company is named Blizzard they wouldn't do such a thing or not be interested in profit enough, is rather naive. All they have to do is type in a number into their database and they made money, too easy, too tempting, and totally legal. If you do it controlled and put enough money-sinks into the game, it won't even be game-breaking. And I think reading cross through various press and industry related sources and comments, a mix of all of that is exactly what happens.

About the age:
Use your common sense please if you have that, naturally most people above 25 tend to be more mature than below, but clearly and that shouldn't have to be mentioned: this doesn't guarantee anything, merely represents a tendency. Of course there are nice and relaxed people below 25 and idiots above 25 Oh and btw 25 is a symbolic figure to standing for having outgrown adolescence with a bit of a buffer on the + side.

That is because you base your point of view by reading between the lines and conjure up some conspiracy theory, that game companies such as Blizzard for example supports goldsellers.

I mean wtf are you on?

If suing a goldselling company isn't proof enough for you that this is really frowned upon, then what is?

By changing the Terms of use in the EULA from:



To : ?

Here is something you can copy and paste, its made for imbecils that cannot comprehend the terms of use: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/faq/a ... lling.html



Taken from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6592335.stm

Still for you this isn't enough proof, is it?



You should stop watching X-files.

I am quite sober and on absolutely nothing and it makes me happy to read you believe everything a big company says and I have no intention to disturb your daydreams, keep going It is the game you like most, run by a company you absolutely trust to be 100% morally integer. Fine by me, I don't - my personal point of view.

To repeat it, Mythic has been crushing down on RMTs in public just as much as Blizzard does "officially" now they hand out beta-keys to a goldseller, how does that compute in your universe where things like that are part of conspiracies rather than reality? In my book this isn't just a single case, Sony fishing in the RMT pool since quite a while too.

That is just the policy part of the problem. Being developer with over 20 years experience, and strongly involved into game developpment too gives me technical insight enough to know you can do a lot programmatically, especially with those resources at hand. Those companies can easily employ a small army of coders to solve it. And if that isn't enough 1 24 h shift manned per server to catch everything that isn't detected by code. Leaves the question, why they are still there and farming and spamming and selling?

Well at least in one thing we agree, we both could rather live and play without RMT.

The easiest way to stop it still is people quitting to buy gold & pp for real $$$. No buyers, no market, no farmers.

But whatever, I am sure you can make a quotefest out of this post too, maybe with a little l33t internet picture next time? - Oh and apologies if I didn't read your posts carefully and missed something

Now that is one lovely smile, wonder what she is up to next ?

Hmm, would using bots work, to acquire Beta keys in your reality?

Although since you obviously only read to the question mark, I would very much like to hear, the assumption you came up with.

Any gamedeveloper would probably NOT put themselves into a position where a goldselling company has a catch on them, not in this universe anyway but maybe, just maybe, in yours.

Yours and The Twilight Zone.

Bots and hacking are like God.

Everything people are too stupid or ignorant for to understand gets attributed to them.

slight de-rail, but for you people that play WoW, with the new expansion that's coming out and the new class of dreadlord (or whatever it's called) i heard rumors a while ago that you would have to have a character around level 60 or so before you could roll one, is this still true?? i'd like to try out the class but don't really want to level a character upto 60 just to get to the class i want to play.

but the new expansion looks good, so i'd like to try it out some, but probably only if i can get straight into the class i want.

Afaik, it is still true, I think the lvl to transform to the Deathknight is set at minimum lvl 55, not sure about though, I havent followed the recent updates like the zealots that is theorycrafting at the official wotlk forums.

Cba to roll one tbh, as all servers will crawl with them, all I gonna do is make life miserable for those that re-rolls to DK

Yeah im not rolling one, i know that demand for a resto druid will still be mega high

ahh, didn't know you transform into one, that doesn't sound too bad.

hehe, i want one as i play a SK in EQ, so like being a bit evil when required, might tempt me to give WoW more of a go than i have previously.

@Rimmer: Honestly, I have no clue what he means with that statement, since he obviously cannot be talking about in-game-bots. *shrug* - Looks to me he too is trying to find reasons how that RMT company did end up with 50 beta keys, reasons that won't render Mythic the bad guys.

Now your turn, lets make it simple and clear:
How would you explain then Swagvault is ending up with 50 beta keys?

The only other reason I can think of is the pre-ordering process is tied to a beta- or buddy-key system.

One has to remember that the 50 Key's swagvault says they have 49 of them is probably for open beta , each Warhammer online retailer has these open beta key's, fileplanet subscribers get open beta key's, subscribers to EA Mythic newsletter gets open beta key's.

In short, there are tons of open beta key's, acquiring 1 or 49 wont be / is not hard I would guess, thing is that I suspect that Swagvault probably only had 1 real beta key and the rest is open beta, I was reading through the offer again and when looking at Swagvaults winner list, and it looks like there was only one who had the combination 8907 which was the requirement to recieve the beta key instantly, the rest of them I would guess is for open beta since they recieved the key september 5th.

I had 5 Open Beta keys and a friend of mine 6 of them.

WHo cares, there's only 1 server up atm and its a frogeating server.

Now what could be possibly wrong with frogeating

Yummy!

Totally agree, what really irks me is ppl who claim all wow players are immature kids.

In my wow guild the average age is around 35, we have a few younger peeps but theyre proberly more sensible than the rest of us

Yeah, the player base is in general younger, but you dont have to group with the idiots, same as in eq!

I enjoy both games, but theyre too different to compare - i love arena and bgs on wow and the ability to solo, the fact that you dont need a set class group to do anything challenging. The 54 man raids on eq and the cosy 10 mans of wow, i wouldnt be able to pick one over the other.

Stop posting pictures of your sister !

I think you need a bigger sig, this one comes almost a bit whimpsy! And more on the yellow side please for the next one.

lol